Homemade Night Sky Cloud Detector for Davis VP2 (Updated)

I made this night cloud sensor a few years ago but thought it would be a good project to put on here for others to have a go.

What does it do?
During the day, WD relies on the Solar readings to predict the current conditions. At night, WD has no way of reporting the cloud cover or conditions (unless there’s precipitation) so we tend to rely on the conditions reported from our closest METAR station.

The Night Cloud sensor or detector is used to supply WD with the difference in temperature between the ambient outside air temperature and the temperature inside a glass jar pointed skywards. From this, WD can work out how much cloud is above the station and report the current local conditions at night.

In basic terms, if the temperature between the outside air & Night Cloud sensors is about the same (+/- 0.2°C in my case) then WD will report the sky as overcast.
If the Night Cloud sensor temp is lower that the air temp by more than your setting (1.8°C in my case) then WD will report a clear sky.
This is because overhead cloud will reflect the ambient heat in the air but with a clear sky you are effectively measuring the temperature at higher altitudes, which are colder than the air on the ground.
Working off the difference between these two temperature readings, WD is able to calculate the assumed amount of cloud above the station.
I should add that this is my interpretation of what is happening and I’m happy to be corrected. :wink:

Equipment
I have a Davis VP2 Plus weather station and, at the time I made this cloud sensor, I had just replace my ISS transmitter as the original had stopped working. I managed to get the old ISS going again so decided to use it as the transmitter for an extra temp sensor.
As well as the transmitter I needed:

  • Davis 6477 temperature probe with the RJ connector.
  • Small glass jar with lid
  • Small plant pot tray
  • Black packing foam
  • Silicon sealant

The first job is to make sure the glass jar is clean and dry on the inside and the lid fits securely.
Then cut the packing foam so it’s a push-fit into the top of the jar (don’t fit it yet though!). If you can’t get hold of black foam, then use white and colour it black. You can also use polystyrene if you can’t get foam, it doesn’t matter as long as it will insulate the temperature sensor from below and is black.

Now make a hole in the centre of the packing foam large enough for the temperature sensor to be pushed through the foam but so that it’s still a tight fit, to hold the sensor in place.

Drill a hole in the lid of the jar and in the centre of plant pot tray, large enough to pass the sensor through the lid & tray. Also make a cut-out on the side of the tray for the cable to exit.

Assembly
Pass the tip of the sensor through the plant pot tray, the lid of the jar and the packing foam so the sensing part is sitting above the foam in clear air.

Push the packing foam into the top of the jar and screw on the lid.

I put two self-tapping screws through plant pot tray and into the lid of the jar to secure it better and give a stable base.

Now use the sealant to seal the lid to the jar and also seal the lid where the sensor cable goes through the hole to stop any water getting in.
You can also use the sealant to glue the plant pot tray to the top of the jar lid if you don’t want to use the self-tapping screws.

Now mount the completed sensor in a location which give it a clear and unobstructed vertical view of the sky and connect it to the transmitter.

Note: I updated this post when I took the sensor apart to clean out the condensation from the glass jar. That enabled me to take extra photos of the assembly so the post is better illustrated.

Once the sensor is talking to your Davis Console as an extra sensor, go into Weather Display > Setup > Advanced / Misc Settings > Boltwood/Home-Made/Aurora Cloud Sensor.

Half way down the window you’ll see “Homemade Night Sky Cloud Detector” settings.
Choose the extra sensor number for the cloud sensor and the overcast & clear sky settings you want to use, then alter the Custom Descriptions on the right if you want too.
Now tick the “Enabled” box and click “OK” to save & exit.

Now WD will use the night cloud sensor readings to report your local conditions at night on your website, on the WD main page and in the Summary images. :wink:

This is great! Thanks for posting. I’m not much of a DIY guy but this looks real interesting and a project that would be fun to work on.

Thanks Martin. Interesting project. Something else to add to my growing list of things to do!

The good thing with doing this for the VP2, Bill, is that there’s not really that much DIY to do.
My sensor has been out in the garden for about four years and has some condensation on the inside so I may take it apart, dry it out and put it back together again. If/when I do this, I’ll take better photos of the assembly and post them on here. :wink:

Although I’ve done this for the VP2, you can use the same method for any station where you’re able to add an extra temperature sensor.

There you go, Bill.
I took it apart today, gave it good clean, took some new assembly photos and added them to the first post.

I hope that helps you get creative. :wink:

I have been running a version pretty much identical since 2017 except for the actual jar, i now use a bowl (all black inside) with a cut out of a clear bag stretched taught and taped on, this makes for a very reactive setup over a glass cover (the upside down glass jar was my 1st attempt), and it can be doubled as a solar sensor too (yours too), a 2 in 1 you might say, handy if our solar sensors pack up :slight_smile:

Well, it certainly is cheaper than a Vaisala cloud detector!

Sounds like a nice project which does not require making a lot of boards, machining stuff and all that.

Would it help with the project to drop a few of those moisture absorbing silica gel packs under the black foam before you sealed it?

I think they have nitrogen in them, but there are some pressurized cans sold to those who drink wine to flush out the oxygen in the bottle if you open it and don’t drink the whole thing. I think it works the same as those pumps to remove air but in this case displaces air with nitrogen (or whatever it is) to keep the wine from going bad. This brings the question of who in their right mind opens a bottle of wine and can’t find enough friends or family to finish it off, but I digress.

The step by step pictures are very nice and the highlighted areas on the WD screens to set this up will save a lot of fiddling around to get it up and running.

Thanks again. Dale

I think the silva packs are a good idea, I have thought about them a few times but I never have any about when I remale it, I have to redo mine every year, due to the clear cover not being uv resistant, I will get some of them though for next year, they will also need to be placed under the foam, although mine is polystyrene,